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Saw II

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  • R-Rated
  • Unrated
Release: Mar 25, 2008 - Author: Glogcke - Translator: DeeKay - external link: IMDB
Jigsaw's second screen appearance did not remain uncensored either. After the film was shown R-rated in cinemas, Lionsgate released a longer unrated cut for the DVD market later on.

Due to the fact that the uncut version uses alternate shots and different viewing angles in some scenes, it is hard to draw a result from the total cut-out time only. Anyway, here is the comparison of the running times:
Running time of R-Rated edition (US DVD, NTSC): 92:41 Min.
Running time of Unrated edition (US DVD, NTSC): 94:30 Min.

For this report, we compared the R-Rated theatrical release (US-DVD, Lions Gate Films) to the unrated release (US-DVD, Lions Gate Films) and found 81 differencies / censorship cuts in total:

- 50 censorship cuts / changes
- 18 extended scenes (plot/action/misc.)
- 13 misc. changes (audio, alternate material, stylistic changes etc.)
0.03.57
Censorship
The eye of the man with the death-trap around his neck is shown a little longer before he faces the scalpel once again.
0,8 Sec.



0.11.07
Extended scene (plot/action)
Two police cars driving across the screen are shown a little longer.
0,53 Sec.




0.11.32
Extended scene (plot/action)
Additional members of the SWAT team are stepping out of the car to arrest Jigsaw.
1,53 Sec.



0.11.37
Extended plot scene
While the police is getting ready for the assault on the fabric building, this extended scene shows an additional shot into Jigsaws darkened "workrooms". Jigsaw is sitting at the center table reading.
2,5 Sec.



0.11.44
Extended plot scene
While the police enters the fabric building, Jigsaw is shown again - still reading and now putting the book aside.
3,17 Sec.



0.11.53
Extended plot scene
And another cut on Jigsaw, putting a soup-bowl down, wiping his mouth and calmly awaiting the approaching policemen.
3,77 Sec.



0.23.52
Censored cut
Another shaky shot of the man who has just been killed by the automatic shooting device behind the door viewer.
0,97



0.35.21
Extended plot scene
The last two trapped characters (the shy blonde and the son of the policeman) follow the others of the group into the basement.
4,1 Sec.



0.37.26
Re-cut / Extended plot scene
When it is revealed that the thin bold man (Obi) was also involved in the kidnapping, two shots have been swapped and another one was added:

Swapped:
When the shy woman accuses Obi („You did this“), this sentence can only be heard off-sceen and partially, while the picture shows Obi and the others of the group. Afterwards, the woman is shown.
In the unrated version, these scenes are swapped, the unrated version is also a little longer (6 frames only).

New scene
After the swapped scene, the unrated version shows a close-up of the woman, who has obviously gone pale.(1,17 Sec.)
total 1,37 Sec.


0.37.47

Re-cut / Alternate scene
The unrated version shows the furious woman when she says: "You put us in here, you can get us out of here“.
The theatrical cut shows the son of the policeman and the brunette woman instead, while the furious woman is speaking off-screen.
Then, an alternate shot of the woman follows. This alternate shot is also included in the unrated version, but it is shown after the woman has spoken. So it is a swapped picture frame with an alternate scene at the same time. Quite meaningless after all.
no time difference


0.40.02
Censorship
Obi tries to kick the door of the kiln open, while the flames burn his feet.
0,93 Sec.



0.40.18
Censorship / Alternate scene
Obi desperately hammering at the kiln window from the inside.
In the R-Rated version, he is crawling a little longer to reach the window (19 frames). The unrated version is longer after all.
2 Sec.

Unrated:Theatrical version:



0.40.30
Censorship
Obi crouching in the corner of the kiln, covering his nose with his jacket, avoiding to breathe the poisonous gas.
1,3 Sec.



0.40.32
Censorship
Obi hammering at the kiln window with his fist.
2,3 Sec.



0.40.40
Censorship
A shot of the desperate brunette, who is helplessly watching Obi burn.
1,3 Sec.



0.40.57
Censorship
Desperate Obi hammering the window again from inside the kiln.
3 quickly cutted sequences.
1,01 Sec.



0.41.05
Censorship
A shot of Obi inside the kiln, screaming.
1,27 Sec.



0.41.17
Censorship
Another shot: Obi burns.
1,13 Sec.



0.42.24
Extended plot scene
The talk between the police leader (Diana Meyer) and the Afro-American SWAT team leader, arguing about how much time she is planning to waste with this "bastard" (Jigsaw), was extended a little.
The unrated version does not show the man interrupting her, so that she can finish her sentence. In the theatrical cut, he interrupts her speech, so that she is talking a little less.
1,6 Sec.



0.42.26
Extended plot scene
After the above mentioned scene is finished, there is another shot of Diana.
2,17 Sec.



0.43.42
Extended plot scene / Alternate shot / Unrated cut
Alternate material of Jigsaw talking to Eric (main actor):
In the theatrical cut, Jigsaw is shown firstly, then Eric, shaking his head in tears.
In the unrated version, Jigsaw is shown a little longer, additionally saying: „Forgive all his sins to wipe the slate clean“.

The theatrical cut is a little longer in this scene
- 1,7 Sec. from the unrated cut

0.44.43
Extended plot scene
Eric is shown a little longer when he tells Jigsaw that the time is running. The following shot of the wall clock is also a little longer.
0,97 Sec.


0.44.48
Extended plot scene
And again, the talk between Jigsaw and Eric is extended a little.
Jigsaw is adding: "It keeps them sleepwalking".
2,23 Sec.



0.48.43
Censored cut / Alternate scene
Alternate cut of Amanda slashing her wrists. The unrated shot is more explicit and centered on the sceen, also a little longer.
The theatrical cut is only showing a shorter scene on the top of the screen.
Unrated version
Length: 1,43 Sec.
Theatrical version
Length: 0,7 Sec.



0.50.47
Extended plot scene
The muscleman is trying to break the door a little longer, the scene is extended with some in-between shots of the other characters. No in-between shots of the others in the theatrical cut.
4,2 Sec.



51. minute – The syringe pit
It´s getting a little complicated at this point:

For your orientation:
The muscleman of the group is breaking the door to a room. By this, some mechanism is triggered and a timer on a steel door starts ticking backwards. The group is informed that the door is locked after the timer finished.
To stop the timer, a key inside the syringe pit needs to be found. Jigsaw originally designed this task for the muscleman as a painful metaphor for his dealer activities. However, the man quickly throws Amanda into the pit, giving her the "honour" to do (t)his painful job.

Outragous changes:

It is widely known that the syringe scene is one of Bousman´s most censored scenes.
Some violent scenes were cut out or shortened. Therefore, it was necessary to adjust the timer, to make Amandas search for the key fitting into the timeframe of the censored theatrical version as well. After all, the theatrical cut allows the group 60 seconds less time to find the key - 3 instead of 4 minutes. This effects the timer right from the start, right before Amanda is being thrown into the pit.

This scene shows nicely that the long version of "Saw II" is really the uncensored cut favoured by the director, and not just an alternate cut. In the theatrical version, the correct timer (4 Minutes) is shown for approx. 0,5 seconds after the muscleman broke the door, pulling the wire from the timer to set it off. In the very next scene, without any necessary cuts, the timer has only 2:58 minutes of time left.

The following explanations include both changes of the timer and the plot scenes.
0.51.08
Alternate timer
The unrated version shows the timer at 3:58 min, the theatrical cut shows the timer at 2:58 min and counting.
no time difference

Unrated:Theatrical version:




0.51.16
Audio changes
In the unrated version, the American says that they have four minutes to do something.
In the theatrical version, he is talking about three minutes.
no time difference

0.51.17
Alternate timer
Directly after the audio changes, the timer is shown again.
Unrated: 3:54 Min. theatrical cut: 2:54 Min. (and counting).
no time difference

Unrated:Theatrical:




0.51.20
Extended plot / Timer display
The muscleman that approached the steel door with the timer is examining it a little longer. The theatrical version only shows a shorter version of the scene, the man is ony approaching the door.
On the one hand, this allowed a cut-down of the scene, but also avoided another look at the timer showing (3:4X) minutes only.
1,6 Sec.



0.51.21
Alternate cut / Timer display
The muscleman is trying to move the door with his bare hands (good idea...). This scene is different in both versions due to the timer, the unrated cut is also a little longer.
The timer in theatrical version shows 2:4X min., the unrated timer shows 3:4X min (X not to be seen on the screen)
Unrated
Length: 2,43 Sec.
Theatrical
Length: 0,8 Sec.



0.51.25
Alternate cut / Timer display
Muscleman still trying to work on the door. Once more, we have different viewing angles in uncut and theatrical version. The unrated version is a little longer again.
The timer is shown in theatrical version only, it shows 2:3X min (X not to be seen).

Unrated
Length: 1,23 Sec.
Theatrical
Length: 0,67 Sec.



0.51.27
Alternate cut / Timer display
Another diffent shot of the muscleman examining the steel door. This time, the theatrical version is a little longer. Timer shows 3:3X min. in uncut version and 2:3X min. in theatrical version.

Unrated
Length: 1,1 Sec.
Theatrical
Length: 1,4 Sec.



0.51.31
Alternate cut / Timer display
Muscleman in front of the steel door again. Timer same as before, theatrical version a little longer this time.

Unrated
Length: 1,17 Sec.
Theatrical
Length: 1,27 Sec.



0.52.09
Alternate timer display
Unrated shows 2:50 min, theatrical shows 1:50 min.
no time difference

0.52.39
Alternate timer display
Unrated shows 2:00 min., theatrical version shows 1:00 min.
no time difference


0.53.06
Censorship
An additional shot of the immobilized Amanda, lying in the syringe pit, moaning.
0,93 Sec.



0.53.06
Alternate timer display
Directly after the cut mentioned above.
Unrated version shows 1:39 min, theatrical version shows 0:45 min.
No time difference


0.53.10
Censorship
Another shot of Amanda in the pit, right before the muscleman is shouting at her.
1,37 Sec.



0.53.12
Censorship
The shot of Amanda starting to get up was cut a little at the very start.
0,5 Sec.



0.53.26
Censorship
The closeup of Amandas hand reaching into the syringes was cut in the theatrical version, only a little at the start.
0,5 Sec.



0.53.29
Alternate timer display
Unrated shows 1:06 min., theatrical version has 0:45 min.
no time difference


0.53.34
Alternate and new shot / alternate timer display / censorship

Alternate shot of Eric´s son: Unrated version shows him touching his head in despair, theatrical version shows him turning away.
Unrated version also has another shot of the muscleman following.
In both scenes, you can hear Amanda screaming in pain in the background. Screams are not to be heard in theatrical version.
Finally, we have a different timer display again;
unrated version: 0:58 min., theatrical 0:34 min.

Unrated
Length: 2,93 Sec.
Theatrical
Length: 1,83 Sec.

Theatrical version continuing with timer display, see next column



0.53.38
Censorship
Amanda rooting around in the syringes a little longer.
0,23 Sec.

0.53.39
Censorship
The shot of Amanda staring in pain is a little longer in the uncut version.
0,83 Sec.



0.53.46
Alternate timer display
Unrated: 0:44 min., theatrical 0:27 min.
no time difference


0.53.53
Censorship
Amanda rooting in the syringe pit longer again in some quick sequences. One shot slow-motioned. The censorship starts with the brunette turning away, shocked and in concern.
3,8 Sec.



0.53.54
Extended scene
The shot of the boy is longer, just before he says that somebody should help her.
1,03 Sec.

0.53.59
Extended plot / alternate timer display
The unrated version includes another shot of the dealer turning away in anger.
A timer display follows, which is diffent in uncut and theatrical again:
unrated 0:25 min., theatrical version 0:21 min.
1,17 Sec.


0.54.03
Alternate and new shots / censorship
Alternate shot: Unrated version shows Amanda pushing syringes away with both hands. Theatrical version shows a closeup of her rooting in syringes. The camera moves to hear face then.

New: Unrated version also includes another shot of the boy, followed by another shot of Amanda. Therefore, the unrated version is a little longer in this scene.

Unrated
Length: 2,1 Sec. (Three shots)
Theatrical
Length: 1,13 Sec. (One shot)



0.54.48
Censorship
A close-up shot of the boy pulling a syringe from Amandas arm has been cut. Another follow-up shot of Amanda spyked with syringes is also missing.
1,8 Sec.



0.55.23
Censorship / alternate scene
Alternate scene of the boy pulling another syringe out of Amandas arm. Theatrical version shows a total of Amanda instead, with various syringes in her body. Unrated version is also showing a total, but is both longer and taken from alternate angle.
The following scene of the boy in closeup pulling another syringe out of her arm is only included in the uncut version. The theatrical version shows the boy in total when he is pulling out the syringe.
Unrated
Length: 1,37 Sec.
Theatrical
Length: 0,7 Sec.



0.57.16
Alternate scene
Aternate shot of Eric, tearing more of Jigsaws stuff to make him talk. Theatrical version shows Eric throwing something onto the table Jigsaw is sitting at, unrated version shows Eric tearing some folders. Unrated version is longer. The differences starts before Jigsaw asks how they can possibly judge him with all the evidence destroyed.

Unrated
Length: 3,07 Sec.
Theatrical
Length: 1,47 Sec.



0.59.05
Extended plot scene
Unrated shows Eric viewing another picture of a person he arrested once (Obi).
0,87 Sec.



0.59.46
Extended plot scene
The Afro-American is shown a little longer, after he coughed and leaned forward in the corridor. This is right after the muscleman enters the room the group woke up in.
0,67 Sec.

1.00.06
Censorship
Longer shot of the muscleman watching the corpse of the man shot by the gun behind the door-viewer.
The following shot of him pulling the man´s shirt down and discovering the number in the man´s neck was also shortened. Unrated version shows the hole in the man´s head more explicit, before the camera starts moving down a little.
0,73 Sec.



1.00.22
Censorship
The Afro-American who followed the muscleman into the room is puking blood a little longer.
2,17 Sec.



1.00.26
Censorship
The second shot of the Afro-American puking blood was also extended (at the start)
0,93 Sec.



1.02.43
Censorship / Alternate scene
After the muscleman hit the Afro-American with the nail-bat and he went down, alternate material was used again.
Uncut version shows a pool of blood spreading on the floor. Theatrical version does not show blood first.
no time difference

Unrated:Theatrical:



1.02.47
Censorship / Alternate scene
After all, nearly the same cut as mentioned above:
The second shot also shows blood under the corpse, but the uncut version shows a significantly larger blood pool than theatrical version.
no time difference

Unrated:Theatrical:



1.04.13
Censorship / alternate scene
When the shy woman is going down in the corner because of her poisoning and starts having spasms, aternate camera material was used again. Unrated version is much longer again:
First, there is a completely new scene of her puking some foam which keeps hanging on her mouth. Afterwards, we see a new shot from Amanda trying to help the woman. This scene is also shown in the R-Rated version, but the uncut version is a little longer at the start.

Unrated
Length: 3,33 Sec.
Theatrical
Length: 1,13 Sec.



1.04.16
Theatrical version longer
The next shot of the woman having spasms is longer at the start in theatrical version. This is because of the other cuts following:
1,2 Sec.

1.04.18
Censorship
The woman is shaking in spasms longer (compare to last cut).
1,03 Sec.



1.07.34
Censorship
Eric is beating up Jigsaw a little longer to make him talk.
1,13 Sec.



1.08.53
Censorship
A total of the brunette is missing, she is hanging with her hands tied in the glass box. This is cut directly before you can see the first closeup of her hands.
1,83 Sec.



1.08.57
Censorship
Yet another closeup of the brunette trying to pull her hands out of the glass box, then catching on the sharp iron parts...
0,9 Sec.



1.09.15
Censorship
Another closeup shot of the bloody hands in the glass box. She is trying to pull them out hastily. First two frames of the follow-up shot are missing, too. Presumably because they are using a typical Saw-effect in this scene (flashingly illumination of the scene) to archieve additional intensification.
1,63 Sec.



1.09.36
Censorship
The muscleman is reaching into the woman´s hair a little longer, before he is moving them aside to discover the number in her neck.
2,2 Sec.



1.09.52
Censorship / alternate scene
Alternate angle of the muscleman closing the door behind the woman, leaving her in her misery.
Unrated version shows a close-up of the crying woman while the dealer is closing the door behind her. Theatrical version is using the total shot while he is doing this. Unrated version is also a little longer.


Unrated
Length: 4,3 Sec.
Theatrical
Length: 3,77 Sec.



1.09.54
Stylistic change
After the dealer closed the door behind the trapped woman, some quick Saw-type cuts are following to show the death of the woman in quick motion. The unrated version uses different picture formats / smaller picture in this scene. Maybe a stylistic change only.
no time difference

Unrated:Theatrical:



1.09.54
Censorship / Alternate scene
One aternate frame, one uncut:
The quick Saw-typic cuts showing the death of the woman in rapid mode also include a shot of her trapped hands. This shot, consisting of 2 frames, was changed. One of the changed frames is also shown in the theatrical version two frames later. Unrated version shows a different picture at the same time.
no time difference

1.09.55
Censorship / Alternate scene
2 frames after the above mentioned cut, you can see the woman´s hands again. And again, a different viewing angle was used.
The theatrical version shows one of the above mentioned cut-frames now.
no time difference

1.09.59
Censorship / Alternate scene
Also during the fast-motion scene:
An alternate shot of the woman´s face. The following shot is showing her hands in the glass box again, so that frame was also cut out. The unrated version is one frame longer after all.
1.10.00

Censorship / Alternate scene
And again frames changed:
During the rapid-motion scene, you can see the woman´s head falling behind. This shot is a complete scene in the uncut version. The theatrical version interrupts this scene after the third frame, to show a front shot of the woman for two frames instead.
no time difference

1.10.01
Censorship / Alternate scene
During the rapid-motion scene: Another change of perspectives when the hands are shown. 2 Frames.
no time difference

1.10.01
Censorship / Alternate scene
Same, 3 frames this time.
no time difference

1.10.02
Censorship / Alternate scene
During the rapid-motion scene: Two frames changed again, this time it is the woman´s face twisted with pain.
no time difference

1.10.03
Censorship / Alternate scene
Rapid-motion scene again: swapped frames of the hands. 3 frames.
no time difference

1.10.04
Censorship / Alternate scene
During the rapid-motion scene: Changed viewing angle: The woman is hanging inside the glass box. Shot from behind.
no time difference

1.10.04
Censorship / Alternate scene
Same again.
no time difference

1.10.04
Censorship / Alternate scene
During the rapid-motion scene, alternate shot:
Unrated: The woman is hanging inside the glass box longer.
Theatrical release: The shot is interrupted by some frames taken from a different angle.
no time difference

1.10.04
Censorship / Alternate scene
During the rapid-motion scene, alternate shot:
Unrated: 2 frames of the hands
Theatrical: 1 frame of light distortion, 1 frame showing the hands.
no time difference

1.10.06
Sylistic change
During the rapid-motion scene: The uncut version shows an abstracted face of the woman, this effect is repeated until the face is in full screen.
no time difference

1.10.06
Censorship / Alternate scene
During the rapid-motion scene:
Unrated: 4 Frames of the woman, 1 frame of her hands, 1 frame of the woman.
Theatrical release: 2 frames of the woman, 2 frames pf her hands, 2 frames of the woman.
No time difference


1.10.07
Censorship
The woman´s death in rapid-motion is a little longer in the unrated version, extended by some additional shots. This makes the scene a little more intense.
0,7 Sec.



1.20.14
Censorship
The final shot of the muscleman with his throat cut is longer in the unrated version.
1,2 Sec.

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